Here is the full, earlier, IMA-L conversation on blogs as information sources. Feel free to join in! Forwarded Conversation Subject: [IMA] When Mainstream Media Use Blogs as Sources Without Attribution ------------------------ From: Gorelick, Steve <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Film & Media Graduate Program <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 5:11 PM When John Edwards and his wife announced the recurrence of her cancer, I asked two of my classes to follow the subsequent coverage given that we are reading Susan Sontag's seminal essays "Illness as Metaphor" and AIDS and Its Metaphors." Sontag is concerned with the language and metaphor we use to talk about illnesses like cancer, and with what our linguistic choices reveal about deeply held attitudes. We also have been examining how people actually dealing with cancer negotiate a cultural environment and mass media saturated with vocabulary and ideology implying that cancer is inevitably catastrophic. As I sat in my office reading all the breaking news bulletins, it became clear that someone had it wrong. Some mainstream networks were reporting that Edwards was suspending his campaign, some said he was ending it, and others said he was continuing. (Some of you may remember that Edwards visited Hunter last year, met with a number of our students, and held several seminars.) What happened? The explanation turns out to be more than a little embarrassing for the newspapers and television networks that, by and large, have expressed great skepticism about blogs as reliable news sources. For the most part they have decried the lack of editing and the lack of fact checking. You can trust The New York Times, they argue, but why and how can you trust some kid in Topeka using Wordpress. As you will see in the AP story below, a number of the biggies were relying on a blog as their sole source when they went with the story that Edwards was suspending his campaign. I want to be careful not to draw too much from this. One story does not prove anyone's argument about either the influence or the accuracy of the blogosphere. In this case the blog was wrong, as were the networks that took blog report at face value and reported it without attribution. Sometimes the mainstream media and some of my favorite newspapers blow it badly. What this does reveal, however, is that – with all their dismissals of blogs – the "biggies" are willing to base a fairly big story on the very blog-based sources that they have complained cannot be monitored for accuracy. Last August Columbia J-School Dean Nicholas Lemann wrote a fairly condescending piece in the New Yorker called "Amateur Hour" that cautioned about relying on blogs. While some of Lemann's concerns about quality and editing and accuracy can't be easily dismissed (in any medium), it now seems clear that – whatever the mainstream media is publicly saying about blogs -- what they are doing with them is reading them, using them, and basing stories on them. Given the AP story below, it is at least fair to wonder how many other examples there are of blog-reporting being used without attribution. Web site apologizes for Edwards report By David Bauder, AP Television Writer | March 22, 2007 NEW YORK --A reporter for the new Politico Web site apologized for reporting that John Edwards was suspending his campaign for president more than an hour before Edwards said Thursday he was staying in the race. The incorrect report rocketed through the media before Edwards held his news conference announcing the recurrence of his wife's cancer. Some outlets used Politico's information; others steered clear. Ben Smith, a former New York Daily News reporter, posted the report on his Politico Web log at 11:06 a.m. EDT. Quoting but not identifying "an Edwards friend" as his source, Smith reported that Edwards was suspending his campaign and may drop out completely because of Elizabeth Edwards' cancer. "There was never any discussion of suspending the campaign," Edwards adviser Jennifer Palmieri said. She said the Edwardses invited about half a dozen aides to their home to discuss how best to tell the public about her diagnosis and their decision to stay in the race. Smith, in a later post titled "Getting it Wrong," explained how he had trusted a reliable source he had known for years. But he "unwisely" wrote it without getting a second source, he said. "When the campaign pushed back harder than I'd expected, I added that information to the original item, but that doesn't undo the damage," Smith wrote. "My apologies to our readers for passing on bad information." The Politico, a Web site with a companion free tabloid distributed in Washington, began in January with many respected political journalists. It was founded by John Harris and Jim VandeHei, longtime Washington Post journalists. With news organizations waiting for a news conference that it had known about for more than 12 hours without a substantive leak ahead of time, Smith's report proved too hard for many to resist. CNN cited the Politico report several times before Edwards' news conference, but pulled back when correspondent Candy Crowley said Edwards staffers were casting doubt on it. While MSNBC did not cite the report on television, the Web site MSNBC.com ran the information as a banner headline. MSNBC.com later apologized, saying it had relied on Politico "and a source who spoke to NBC." CBS News, which has a partnership agreement with Politico, posted the report on the CBS Web site without doing its own reporting, and later corrected it, a spokeswoman said. NBC News anchor Brian Williams delivered his own correction after the network briefly interrupted regular programming for the Edwards news conference. "When we came on for this special report, we delivered two headlines to you. Number one, that Mrs. Edwards' cancer had returned," he said. "Sadly, that headline turned out to be correct. The second headline was that John Edwards was ending or suspending his campaign for president, and as we just heard from the former senator, he said this campaign goes on. So that part of this story, at least for now, is incorrect." ABC News did not cite Politico, either on the air or Web, because its own sources were leading the network in the other direction, said Jon Banner, executive producer of "World News." "The pressure is on to get these things right, especially when it concerns someone's health," he said. "There's some sensitivity to that." Fox News Channel and The Associated Press also did not repeat the Politico report, relying on their own reporters. Harris, Smith's editor at Politico, was not immediately available for comment. But he told Smith in an e-mail that his reporting was worth sharing with readers, but only with the caution that the information was fragmentary. "We should not have made a flat, predictive assertion about what Edwards was going to do," Harris wrote. "The lesson, which we both know but re-learned, was the importance of precision." The incident illustrates the danger faced by Politico, a Web site that tries to combine the gossipy aspects of a Web log with the authoritativeness of journalists, said Tom Rosenstiel, a former political reporter and director of the Washington-based Project for Excellence in Journalism. "It doesn't have a lot of track record and it's still making first impressions," Rosenstiel said. "This not a good first impression." ------ Associated Press reporters Jake Coyle in New York and Nedra Pickler in Washington contributed to this report. -------- From: Joshua Levy <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Film & Media Graduate Program <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 11:29 AM The blogger/reporter in question is Ben Smith, who writes for the Politico, an inside-the-beltway print publication in Washington. Although he blogs on their web site, he is also a columnist for the print version and has been a reporter for the New York Observer and the New York Daily News. Here's part of his explanation about how he got it wrong: > Though I've spent the last several years at major newspapers – the New York Observer and the New York Daily News most recently – I've done much of my reporting on blogs, and have developed an instinct to let my readers know whatever I know, as soon as I know it. The medium typically allows you to refine and update a story as it changes – including saying, "Well, my original source had it wrong." > But the scale of this story was simply too big to report that way, to share information with high but imperfect confidence – and without making that level of confidence crystal clear. I should have waited for a second source, or hedged the item much more fully. Or simply waited for the news conference like everybody else. In this case, although the (false) news broke on a blog, it wasn't from a kid in Topeka using Wordpress; it was a former mainstream reporter-turned-blogger writing for an insider-y Washington paper whose new methodology still has some holes in it. -Josh [Quoted text hidden]-- www.personaldemocracy.com www.techpresident.com www.levjoy.com The fourth annual Personal Democracy Forum is happening May 18, 2007 in NYC. Register now: http://www.personaldemocracy.com/conference/2007 -------- From: Bernard L. Stein <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Film & Media Graduate Program <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 7:43 AM I think it's great that Steve Gorelick, Peter Parisi, Stuart Ewen and Gregg Morris are using the listserv to raise broad issues about the strengths, shortcomings and future of journalism. In that spirit, I'd like to respond to Prof. Gorelick's most recent post. In it, he makes a sharp distinction between blogs like politico.com and mainstream media. But politico.com, the blog that got it wrong when it reported that John Edwards was ending his presidential campaign, is hardly "some kid in Topeka using Wordpress." While the AP story Prof. Gorelick includes in his post says politico.com "was founded by John Harris and Jim VandeHei, longtime Washington Post journalists," in fact it was founded by a large media company. It is a publication of Capitol News Company LLC, a subsidiary of Allbritton Communications. Allbritton is a $200 million corporation that owns and operates eight ABC affiliates in Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Virginia, and Washington, DC. and News Channel 8, the NY1 of DC, and publishes a print edition of politico.com to compete with The Hill and Roll Call, the newspapers that cover Capitol Hill. Allbritton made a big noise among journalists when it founded politico.com by raiding big-time news rooms for its staff, hiring Harris and VandeHei, two of the Washington Post's top political reporters to head the operation. The reporter who screwed up on the Edwards story, Ben Smith, was a veteran of the New York Daily News. When it launched in January, politico.com billed itself as the new way of reporting and delivering news, and those in the ink on paper world who bought that description trembled. But there was much skepticism as well, ranging new media missionary Jay Rosen http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2006/11/22/harris_vande.html to WaPo press critic Howard Kurtz http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/28/AR2007012801355.html So, can you ascribe the fact that some newspapers and tv broadcasts amplified politico.com's erroneous report to a thoughtless reliance on the blogosphere, or was it matter of trusting veteran reporters? Perhaps the real question is why anyone would risk being wrong to get a few hours head start. After all, the Edwardses had announced a press conference, and once they held it, we'd all know what they had to say. To whom could it matter to know a little bit earlier whether the Edwards campaign was on or off? But the thirst to be first is as old as newspapers (or, for all I know, town criers). Politico.com's mistake and the willingness of others to rebroadcast it bears a closer to resemblance to the "Dewey wins" headline on the Chicago Tribune in 1948 than to the impact of the internet on reporting in 2007. Bernard L. Stein [Quoted text hidden] -------- From: Gorelick, Steve <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Film & Media Graduate Program <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:12 AM Wow, now we're talking! I really appreciate Professor Stein's clarification of the corporate parentage of politico.com. Josh Levy, a student in our program with serious expertise in the area, also was extremely helpful. But since I have gotten a couple emails about the "kid in Topeka using Word press" comment, let me clarify: My intention in using that phrase was to caricature how many in the mainstream press dismiss blogs. This is quite independent of the talent and quality that can be found in many places like politico.com. I simply loved seeing the sunlight shined on one example -- perhaps not the best one given the strong credentials of the blogging reporters -- of how the argument about whether blogs will play a key role is basically over. They have fully and completely insinuated themselves into the media environment and the issue now for our discussion is who will use them, how they will be used, and with what effect. I suppose I shouldn share the article by Nicholas Lemann that originally got my goat. If this issue at all catches your fancy, you might also look up some of debate that followed Lemann's article that can be found on Jeff Jarvis's (CUNY J-Faculty) blog Buzzmachine. Steve ________________________________ From: Film & Media Graduate Program on behalf of Bernard L. Stein Sent: Tue 3/27/2007 8:43 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [IMA] When Mainstream Media Use Blogs as Sources Without Attribution [Quoted text hidden]If you wish to unsubscribe from the IMA-L List, please send an E-mail to: "[log in to unmask]". Within the body of the text, only write the following:"SIGNOFF IMA-L". -------- From: Peter Parisi <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 9:12 AM Responding to a suggestion from Buddy Stein, I am forwarding this interesting discussion of what can happen when mainstream media use blogs as authoritative information sources. It appeared only on IMA-L and applies directly to members of this list. -- Peter Parisi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gorelick, Steve <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mar 24, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: [IMA] When Mainstream Media Use Blogs as Sources Without Attribution [Quoted text hidden]-- Peter Parisi, Ph.D. Dept. of Film & Media Studies Hunter College 695 Park Avenue New York, NY 10021 212-772-4949 "The suffering itself is not so bad, it's the resentment against suffering that is the real pain." --Allen Ginsberg -------- From: Gorelick, Steve <[log in to unmask]> To: Peter Parisi <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 12:41 PM I assume that you are also going to post yours and Buddy's and Josh levy's responses.... 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